In a heated exchange with Attorney General Pam Bondi during the House Judiciary committee hearing on February 11th in a room packed with people and cameras, including the survivors of the debauched cruelty that we have all come to know, Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky declared that the scandal around the Epstein files was “bigger than Watergate.” He went on to say that “this goes over four administrations.
"Its bigger than Watergate" and bigger than just abusing children who can't defend themselves , its truly evil its "BLACKMAIL" as a FORM of warfare against us all.
If this exact kind of evil, vile behavior had not been part of European history since at least the founding of Rome, continuing through the Imperial Monarchies of England, France, Italy and Germany, I might feel shocked, rather than sickened. But as a person who enjoys reading history, I'm not surprised at all. Every single European aristocracy has behaved in a similar manner, but most of the outrages were not exposed, coming to light, if they came to light at all, only in the writings of historians who were not widely read until centuries after the fact.
I'm not sure of all the reasons why our genocidal treatment of our First Peoples and our enslavement and murderous, cruel and rapacious treatment of black, brown and Asian peoples long after that outrage came to an end has never created the level of outrage that the Epstein FIles have.
Maybe because the very idea that people could sink so low is depressing to the 9th degree. And yet, now that millions of us white people are seeing what people of color have known since the. 16th century, we've been given a chance to repent. I'm glad to have lived long enough to see this day, and I only I live long enough to see us embody our ideals for everyone.
Thank you Ms. Horne for your awareness and willingness to say the hard truth that we people of color have seen and endured in this America. But even knowing all I know through my people’s history here and my reading of history, I am still so saddened and still shocked at the pervasive greed and power hungry rot that is regarded by many as attractive. God help us!🙏🏽😞
I would say that, as we Americans have benefitted immensely from being an evolving stew of peoples, their understandings and cultures, and yet the whites among us have persisted in undervaluing or devaluing these myriad gifts we ought to be engaged in heartfelt apologies, and don't deserve your thanks, Kelly. Nonetheless, it warms my heart to be thanked. Please know you have my gratitude in turn.
The rot never was completely excised. And now, as you stated, even though considerable efforts were made to prevent Watergate from happening again, those safeguards have been dismantled. As a result, the rot not only took root again, it FLOURISHED.
The rot is more pervasive and more resilient than it ever was in the Watergate era.
I don’t think enacting renewed safeguards is going to save us this time (since safeguards didn’t actually save us last time, either).
The very foundations of our country are too porous and can’t withstand the weight of all the corruption, greed, and perversion.
We need to honestly look at, learn from, and gather together the best of what we’ve learned over the past 250 years and create something new - and better. Nothing less will save the republic.
A wholly different scale lies herein. We’ve rarely been privy to the direct horror of such machinations, though of course we’ve known and always deferred to ultimately powerful subversions of facts. The boredom of the uber-privileged has, since the beginnings of social hierarchies, spawned physical and psychological slavery, festering parent root inextricably entangled within the promise of liberty for all.
We occasionally excise what is revealed through carelessness, through revolution, then embrace fresh perspective as nature does, post-apocalyptic blaze.
Reading and pondering perspectives is edifying in the short term, but repeated exposure to stubborn regrowth undermines the most positive of philosophies.
There is too much to be lost for the audaciously powerful to succumb to annoying investigations and storytellers: they continue to create limitless combative resources as we await the verdicts of history.
Crap. "This is bigger than Watergate. A cascading crisis of legitimation. I pray that we understand that." This is where you leave us? Sorry, don't mean to criticize---and I know you've addressed what we need to do with this understanding already but today I am depressed. I feel worn out by the rot that's consuming us. And I see a country where not enough of us care. I see a country where a significant number of people actually admire the "Epstein class" and simply want to join it. "Bigger than Watergate" feels bigger than I can deal with today. I'll be better tomorrow, I'm sure.
Hi Sharon. I kept trying to scroll in his article thinking he had more to say... I think we all want him to give us the answer? Or the "to do" part. Even just his regular "...keep your loved ones close..." would've been a charge or reminder of how to get through it. Sadly, I'm not sure even Prof. Glaude has all the answers. But here is why I'm chiming in - I just want you to know that the bouts of depression and anger are so normal right now. Please know I say this with kindness and not with condescension. The other day, I called my best friend Mia - she lives on the East Coast, I'm on the West. We have our scheduled times to talk (we've known each other since college) and it is rare to just call each other. With our varied schedules and 3 hour time difference, me calling - not texting - was an alarm bell. She was in her car. And I called her because I couldn't stop crying. What took me over the edge was the picture (or video?) that Trump posted of former President Barack Obama and Michelle Obama as apes or whatever... I'm not sure why that was the moment for me, but I broke down crying, found myself gasping for air (that ugly deep down cry) and realized I was in trouble. I needed to talk to my friend. I needed help. And I called Mia. And she answered. And she listened. And I let it out. -- I'm sharing this with you (and with everyone) to just let you know, you are not alone. This is depressing. This is all so hard. And it's frustrating. And maddening. And I wanted Prof Glaude to provide answers to. I want someone - anyone - to tell me how to fix it all. I want someone with power to do something! It feels helpless and I feel so weak. And sad. And then Mia reminded me - not as a cushion or band aid - that we've been through so much before as a country and we figured it out together. And that I've been through so much personally and I've figured things out even when it was hard and felt like it would never get better. Mia reminded me that even though I'm through that hard part now, the journey to the other side of that crazy time was super hard. It was painful. It felt like it would never end. But it did. It did and we turned a chapter. And I needed that reminder. I needed my friend Mia to remind me. So, yeah, I hear you. I was looking for "our friend" to finish the rest of the article with the "To Do" part. But maybe all we can do is acknowledge what Prof Glaude was/is saying -- this is worse than Watergate. And we are not going to be blind to that. And maybe the TO DO part is simply realizing how big this is and hard it will be. Prepare ourselves. And know, that the only way we get through this - is together. Sending you a hug Sharon. 🤗
This is so kind, Carmen. So very kind. Thank you. It is so much better when we have company in this cauldron. I really appreciate the time and care you took to respond.
Amen and ase.
"Its bigger than Watergate" and bigger than just abusing children who can't defend themselves , its truly evil its "BLACKMAIL" as a FORM of warfare against us all.
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And we haven’t gotten to the money laundering and extortion.
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Until America exercises accountability at every level, it’s not over. You can’t make a deal and let evil walk. Not anymore.
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You nailed it without going into minute detail. Thank you. "Just the facts, Mam," or in this case, "Sir". Claim+backing=something to ponder.
Dr. Eddie
All of the on point comments make my heart swell. As a 78 year old retired Black educator, I can only say “ We have been through the storm!”
If this exact kind of evil, vile behavior had not been part of European history since at least the founding of Rome, continuing through the Imperial Monarchies of England, France, Italy and Germany, I might feel shocked, rather than sickened. But as a person who enjoys reading history, I'm not surprised at all. Every single European aristocracy has behaved in a similar manner, but most of the outrages were not exposed, coming to light, if they came to light at all, only in the writings of historians who were not widely read until centuries after the fact.
I'm not sure of all the reasons why our genocidal treatment of our First Peoples and our enslavement and murderous, cruel and rapacious treatment of black, brown and Asian peoples long after that outrage came to an end has never created the level of outrage that the Epstein FIles have.
Maybe because the very idea that people could sink so low is depressing to the 9th degree. And yet, now that millions of us white people are seeing what people of color have known since the. 16th century, we've been given a chance to repent. I'm glad to have lived long enough to see this day, and I only I live long enough to see us embody our ideals for everyone.
Thank you Ms. Horne for your awareness and willingness to say the hard truth that we people of color have seen and endured in this America. But even knowing all I know through my people’s history here and my reading of history, I am still so saddened and still shocked at the pervasive greed and power hungry rot that is regarded by many as attractive. God help us!🙏🏽😞
I would say that, as we Americans have benefitted immensely from being an evolving stew of peoples, their understandings and cultures, and yet the whites among us have persisted in undervaluing or devaluing these myriad gifts we ought to be engaged in heartfelt apologies, and don't deserve your thanks, Kelly. Nonetheless, it warms my heart to be thanked. Please know you have my gratitude in turn.
💕
The rot never was completely excised. And now, as you stated, even though considerable efforts were made to prevent Watergate from happening again, those safeguards have been dismantled. As a result, the rot not only took root again, it FLOURISHED.
The rot is more pervasive and more resilient than it ever was in the Watergate era.
I don’t think enacting renewed safeguards is going to save us this time (since safeguards didn’t actually save us last time, either).
The very foundations of our country are too porous and can’t withstand the weight of all the corruption, greed, and perversion.
We need to honestly look at, learn from, and gather together the best of what we’ve learned over the past 250 years and create something new - and better. Nothing less will save the republic.
💕
A wholly different scale lies herein. We’ve rarely been privy to the direct horror of such machinations, though of course we’ve known and always deferred to ultimately powerful subversions of facts. The boredom of the uber-privileged has, since the beginnings of social hierarchies, spawned physical and psychological slavery, festering parent root inextricably entangled within the promise of liberty for all.
We occasionally excise what is revealed through carelessness, through revolution, then embrace fresh perspective as nature does, post-apocalyptic blaze.
Reading and pondering perspectives is edifying in the short term, but repeated exposure to stubborn regrowth undermines the most positive of philosophies.
There is too much to be lost for the audaciously powerful to succumb to annoying investigations and storytellers: they continue to create limitless combative resources as we await the verdicts of history.
Crap. "This is bigger than Watergate. A cascading crisis of legitimation. I pray that we understand that." This is where you leave us? Sorry, don't mean to criticize---and I know you've addressed what we need to do with this understanding already but today I am depressed. I feel worn out by the rot that's consuming us. And I see a country where not enough of us care. I see a country where a significant number of people actually admire the "Epstein class" and simply want to join it. "Bigger than Watergate" feels bigger than I can deal with today. I'll be better tomorrow, I'm sure.
Hi Sharon. I kept trying to scroll in his article thinking he had more to say... I think we all want him to give us the answer? Or the "to do" part. Even just his regular "...keep your loved ones close..." would've been a charge or reminder of how to get through it. Sadly, I'm not sure even Prof. Glaude has all the answers. But here is why I'm chiming in - I just want you to know that the bouts of depression and anger are so normal right now. Please know I say this with kindness and not with condescension. The other day, I called my best friend Mia - she lives on the East Coast, I'm on the West. We have our scheduled times to talk (we've known each other since college) and it is rare to just call each other. With our varied schedules and 3 hour time difference, me calling - not texting - was an alarm bell. She was in her car. And I called her because I couldn't stop crying. What took me over the edge was the picture (or video?) that Trump posted of former President Barack Obama and Michelle Obama as apes or whatever... I'm not sure why that was the moment for me, but I broke down crying, found myself gasping for air (that ugly deep down cry) and realized I was in trouble. I needed to talk to my friend. I needed help. And I called Mia. And she answered. And she listened. And I let it out. -- I'm sharing this with you (and with everyone) to just let you know, you are not alone. This is depressing. This is all so hard. And it's frustrating. And maddening. And I wanted Prof Glaude to provide answers to. I want someone - anyone - to tell me how to fix it all. I want someone with power to do something! It feels helpless and I feel so weak. And sad. And then Mia reminded me - not as a cushion or band aid - that we've been through so much before as a country and we figured it out together. And that I've been through so much personally and I've figured things out even when it was hard and felt like it would never get better. Mia reminded me that even though I'm through that hard part now, the journey to the other side of that crazy time was super hard. It was painful. It felt like it would never end. But it did. It did and we turned a chapter. And I needed that reminder. I needed my friend Mia to remind me. So, yeah, I hear you. I was looking for "our friend" to finish the rest of the article with the "To Do" part. But maybe all we can do is acknowledge what Prof Glaude was/is saying -- this is worse than Watergate. And we are not going to be blind to that. And maybe the TO DO part is simply realizing how big this is and hard it will be. Prepare ourselves. And know, that the only way we get through this - is together. Sending you a hug Sharon. 🤗
This is so kind, Carmen. So very kind. Thank you. It is so much better when we have company in this cauldron. I really appreciate the time and care you took to respond.
I got'chyu friend. We're in this together.
This makes Watergate look like a speeding ticket.